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 Post subject: My imaginary friend.
Post Number:#1  PostPosted: 22 Oct 2009 08:28 
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Just a thought from me to those that have the experience that would be required to help my imaginary friend.

Rasboinik's imaginary friend wrote:
Dear friends.

I have stumbled across this board and I have a few comments that I hope will be taken as they are intended, since they are intended as constructive comments.

As regard to sex tourism' be it to the countries of the former Soviet Union, the European countries that were behind the Iron Curtain, Central and South America, Asia or for that matter Western Europe and North America there are quite a few discussion boards dedicated to such activities that make no bones about it and go direct to the point furthermore there are many sites on the internet that offer guaranteed results, or at least that is how they portray themselves.

It is my choice if I wish to travel many thousands of miles in order to consort with a prostitute or if I opt to travel as far as my telephone and arrange to meet an escort in a locally available cheap hotel.
If my desire is to have sex with an exotic woman in an exotic location, I would be better spending my time looking at those options.
If I wish to purchase groceries I would go to a shop that sells groceries, if I wish to purchase parts for my car I would go to a dealer in car parts.
Why would I spend my time and money pretending to look for a partner in life in the hope that I might get “lucky” and have some “easy “sex when I can go directly to what I want and have a woman for guaranteed sex within a few short hours of arrival in my chosen “exotic” location.

It is because I trying to find a partner for that I am not frequenting the discussion boards or internet sites mentioned above.

I accept that it is a murky world and that there are many organisations (agencies) and individuals that are out there to make money; I will go further and say that true altruism does not really exist.
I agree with you that there are agencies that are out to make money from my desire to meet beautiful and available women., and that there are women that are happy to take my money and provide me with either nothing or (if I am lucky) some casual sex in return for my money.
I accept that there are some unscrupulous agencies that are trying to rip me off (scam me) by pretending to offer me what it is that I want and by stringing me along after all the longer I use the various services that they offer the more money they make.

As far as I am concerned those are the agencies that operate in the in between world, the world in between the outright “sex for sale” and “matchmaking”

My quest is to find happiness and a true partner.
It is for me to make the decision concerning payments to an agency that can help me in my quest.
I am an adult and therefore I am responsible for my own actions.
I recognise that a fool and his money are easily parted.

The reason that I am spending my time frequenting discussion boards is that I hope to find a board that is aimed at assisting me in making an informed choice.
I am not very comfortable in foreign countries and if I can find someone to hold my hand (offer me a security blanket) and I am willing to pay for the privilege and that is my choice.

I am frequenting discussion boards such as this one in the hope that I will find recommendations from individuals that have already travelled the route that I hope to travel.

I would not feel secure trying to find a hotel or other accommodation in a country that I do not know and where I do not speak the language, once there I would even find it a struggle to provide myself with even the basic necessities such as a meal. Therefore it would be a great advantage to me if I could arrange to have someone to guide me over such hurdles (at least initially) I would happily pay for such a privilege and if this is what an agency offers then I would be willing to pay for such a service.

I am at loss when it comes to cultures and customs that are foreign to me.
As an example an acquaintance informed me that a Russian woman would be very unhappy if I gave her a dozen roses but would be delighted if I gave her thirteen roses; that is a small and simple example of the kind of information that I am hoping to be provided with, information about customs that are foreign to my way of thinking since in my culture a dozen roses would be a very romantic gesture and thirteen roses would be frowned upon. I am sure that, that is one of many examples where I could cause offence without meaning to and that would be another form of help that could be provided to me by a local with "inside information".

Of course any body that is stupid enough to make the mistake marrying a woman that they do not know deserves to pay for their stupidity.

The final point that I am trying to make is that I do want to find out about the different dating sites and to know which ones are the ones that I should avoid like the plague, which ones I should be wary of and which ones are more trustworthy. A friendly board that has such information is a board that I would tend to frequent.

Sincerely,



Those of you on the board that know me know that I would not swap my красивая ведьма beautiful witch for all the vodka in Russia.
:D ;) [biggrin.gif]

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Post Number:#2  PostPosted: 23 Oct 2009 10:03 
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Your imaginary friend has a good point, but also some weaknesses.

I can agree that not everyone has the time and skills to go on the internet and find flights and accomodation in distant countries. And for those a full service is a good alternative, provided they are willing to spend the extra cash.
As I said when creating the interior of a house, if I pay others to do it the result will be better and I might be able to make more money in that time.

However he should also think about the future. Once he found his wife, trips back will be there, and to employ an agency for that will be hard.

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Post Number:#3  PostPosted: 24 Oct 2009 11:42 
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Shadow

I am in full agreement about the weaknesses that you point out.
I would have to assume that once my imaginary friend has found someone that he can communicate with he will no longer feel as a stranger in a foreign land.

The main reason for the "My imaginary friend" post was to try and get those that have used agencies to put together a list of the good, the bad and the ugly.
I think that the existence of such a list would be of help to "newbies" that stumble across this board and would make them want to stay.

I myself cannot help with any opinions about dating, matchmaking or scamming sites because I have never used any. I meet my fiancée while I was working in Russia.
If I can go further I had no intentions of looking for a long term serious relationship, well at least not until I meet my now fiancée.

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Post Number:#4  PostPosted: 24 Oct 2009 13:44 
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I am not saying that there is no information about various dating sites to be found on this forum, it is just that any information that there is, is quite well buried.

My thoughts are that a concise list with short entries made by the various members would be of help to someone who is just wetting their feet and would encourage people to return.

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Making such list, I think is not going to be very productive if just name them without any specific details of the details from somebody who had problems with them, because we may risk Legal action. So in my view it would be better for people to write their griviencies here.

Of course there are many "antiscam" sites naming the bad one's.

Personally I didn't and wouldn't have ever used one of them but other people do!

So what do you think about this my firend Shadow?

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OK.
I have to admit that I did not think of the legal implications.

The last thing that I would want is to cause trouble for the owners of this board.
I just thought that it might help to attract new traffic

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If I would have had the time of Wiz, such a list might exist today.

I have had the idea of making a comprehensive listing of all agencies and dating sites, comparing their fees and options for both male and female clients, and offering reviews for clients.

The problem is that to keep this up to date and correct takes quite a bit of time, and the agencies that would pay the most would not necessarily come out the best. Which means that the time invested could only be spare time of which I have not nearly enough.

As for blacklists and scamlists, it is the same problem of spare time.

First of all it is written nowhere on any blacklist that at least 70% of the scams are operated by organized crime. The old Lugansk scam ring, the Yoshkar-Ola and Kazan scams... this is not the work of women sitting behind a computer and scamming men. It is the work of a well-organized crime syndicate that employs a numer of students to do the job.

Its actually so easy... go to a Russian social network and save the pictures of a pretty girl, you can find fulls sets including bikini pictures. Register an e-mail address from Yahoo, Gmail, Yandex, Mail.ru etc... Put up a profile (make your own location and age) and take your set of form letters. Repeat this on as many international sites as you can, using the same picture but different (fake) names.

Sit and wait for stupid men to write you. You can, if made profesionally, handle op to 200 men daily. Out of the 200, at least 5 will send money.

How to collect the money ? Two ways. First the crime syndicate will have no trouble placing someone at the local WU office. While not busy with clients, the guy prepares fake passport copies to satisfy WU the person getting the money was the person it was sent to. The second way is even easier. Actually WU does not care if the person collecting the money is the person the money was sent to. All that is checked is that the person at the register has the correct data, and provides a copy of their passport. Enough alcoholics who will help out for a bottle of vodka.

Ok so we can actually say that 70% or more of the pictures on scamlists is of women who have no idea foreign men were ever in love woth their picture.

Now the other 30%. This is the part you have to verify. Let me give the suggestion that if the owners of scam lists would actually write the reporters and check out the stories, two-thirds would be cases like Marcel of men who were turned down and decided to take revenge.

That leaves a score of 10% pro-daters and single-operating scammers.

Would anyone be interested in a blacklist when you have a chance of 10% that the woman displayed on the picture is correct and has actually operated the scam ?

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I do have the time but can you tell me what benefit will be to me, if I spent the time making those lists?

The number of the people who could benefit from these lists I think no is very small.

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two-thirds would be cases like Marcel of men who were turned down and decided to take revenge.

I read this story……. 19 pages and still going on RUA… but Dan has deleted I expect or is still on the Admin forum.

Any way Marcel come across like an idiot…… and he can’t understand what other people are telling him. Never the less he had plenty of fun, while he was spending his money!

…. and now he is missing it! :lol:

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Thread is not deleted on RWD, but Marcel has been wise enough not to offer too much comments there. :D

As for who would benefit, in the end it would be you.
If people who are searching to find a good agency will be able to find a list where they can compare agencies and select the one to their wishes, they will probably take a look around the place that made such a list.

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Shadow wrote:
Thread is not deleted on RWD, but Marcel has been wise enough not to offer too much comments there. :D

Checked again this morning and it is not there! I only found a page (Cashe) when I googled her details and that is all.

Of course Marcel has plastered his story, her photos and details everywhere, as you can see if you google too! ;)


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As for who would benefit, in the end it would be you.

If people who are searching to find a good agency will be able to find a list where they can compare agencies and select the one to their wishes, they will probably take a look around the place that made such a list.

As I said before the benefit will be small comparing to the time neede to compile such accurate lists, which constantly has to be updated.

I think the best idea will be that every member who had experience in dealing with Marriage and dating agencies to post in one single thread on this forum, so to be easy for searh his opinions and views. Then others can continue on the same thread adding their own experiences with Marriage and dating agencies!

Do you think is good idea?

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